{"id":858,"date":"2009-03-22T22:34:26","date_gmt":"2009-03-23T05:34:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.newcoolthang.com\/?p=858"},"modified":"2020-01-09T05:18:13","modified_gmt":"2020-01-09T12:18:13","slug":"chapter-2-the-war-in-heaven","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.newcoolthang.com\/index.php\/2009\/03\/chapter-2-the-war-in-heaven\/858\/","title":{"rendered":"Chapter 2 &#8211; The War in Heaven"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"MsoNormal\">See my three earlier posts (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.newcoolthang.com\/index.php\/2009\/02\/worldviews\/812\/\">here,<\/a>\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.newcoolthang.com\/index.php\/2009\/03\/what-are-the-elements-of-the-plan-of-salvation\/825\/\">here<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newcoolthang.com\/index.php\/2009\/03\/chapter-1-council-in-heaven\/830\/\">here<\/a>) if you don&#8217;t know what this series is all about and the table of contents.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><strong>Chapter 2: The War in Heaven<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">The Kingdom  of Heaven, where God lives, is a place where people love each other and help each other. All who are there are pure and glorified. Those who are not clean and free from sin cannot stand to be with God, their consciences won&#8217;t let them (Mormon 9:3-5). But Heavenly Father knew that all of us who come to earth would hurt each other and be ashamed of ourselves and not be able to undo those things that hurt others.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">For the Plan of Happiness to work, one person would have to be a Savior to take all the sin and pain away from those who would live on the earth, as well as help us love those that hurt us. Without a Savior, everyone who receives a body on this earth would later die physically and be cut off from the Spirit of God. This death would keep them from returning to Heavenly Father and they would be miserable forever.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">The one who would be the Savior would be born like everyone else, would have the veil, and would have to learn like everyone else. But He would have to live a perfect life with no sin or giving in to temptation. And then, He would also have to experience all the sadness, injustice, pain and loneliness of all the people that would be created on our earth and throughout the universe. He would suffer all these things on His own without help even from Heavenly Father and suffer spiritual death as well as physical death so that He could really understand how to help us accept His love.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Heavenly Father asked, &#8220;Whom shall I send?&#8221; Two of His children spoke up. The first said, &#8220;Send me.&#8221; His name was Jehovah, or Jesus Christ. Another said, &#8220;Send me.&#8221; He was Lucifer. Jesus said He would follow Heavenly Father&#8217;s plan as it was, but Lucifer wanted to change it. (D&amp;C 76:24-29) He didn&#8217;t like the consequences of the plan, including that not everyone would choose the right, and they wouldn&#8217;t return to Heavenly Father. Lucifer thought agency was a bad idea and people shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to make wrong choices. He wanted Heavenly Father&#8217;s glory so he could save everyone.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Heavenly Father said that His plan wouldn&#8217;t work without agency, people couldn&#8217;t become like Him without it. Jesus said He would be the savior and give all the glory to our Father. Heavenly Father said He would send Jesus. Lucifer became angry and he accused Heavenly Father and Jesus of making a huge mistake. He was then known as Satan, which means The Accuser.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Satan&#8217;s accusations probably were that Christ couldn&#8217;t live a sinless life if He were also given agency; that He would misuse the powers of the priesthood to serve Himself; and that He wouldn&#8217;t have enough love to continue to withstand the pain of the atonement in the flesh.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">The arguments to accept or reject Heavenly Father&#8217;s plan is what we call the War in Heaven. Because a lot of people were afraid of getting bodies and didn&#8217;t trust Heavenly Father, a smaller portion of Heavenly Father&#8217;s spirit children doubted with Satan and did not believe Christ would fulfill the role as Savior. They argued against the rest who accepted the Plan and Jesus Christ, to the point that they lost their glory and had to leave God&#8217;s presence. They wouldn&#8217;t accept the risk of getting a body and so they are now Satan&#8217;s angels, miserable like Him because they no longer accept Heavenly Father&#8217;s love.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><em>Again, I&#8217;m mainly interested in anything that seems to hit you as strange or incomplete in the portrayal. One question I have as I wrote this is: if original sin doesn&#8217;t exist, why do little children have to be atoned for? If Christ experienced mortality just like us and didn&#8217;t sin, when children die at birth without sin, why would they need atonement? Do they sin in the spirit world? I&#8217;m just seeing this hole in this chapter. 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