{"id":510,"date":"2008-04-14T01:22:40","date_gmt":"2008-04-14T08:22:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.newcoolthang.com\/index.php\/2008\/04\/calling-and-election-made-sure\/510\/"},"modified":"2020-01-09T05:39:09","modified_gmt":"2020-01-09T12:39:09","slug":"calling-and-election-made-sure","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.newcoolthang.com\/index.php\/2008\/04\/calling-and-election-made-sure\/510\/","title":{"rendered":"Calling and Election Made Sure"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I know this is a touchy subject for some people but I am trying to get a feel from our readers exactly what you all think having one&#8217;s calling and election made sure consists of.  This is one of those subjects that gets mentioned and hinted at on occasion but I am not sure if there is a universal definition in the church.  Here are some of the rumors\/ideas I have heard or read about it over the years:<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\n&#8211; It means one is going to be exalted for sure (unless they later commit the unpardonable sin, per D&#038;C 132)<br \/>\n&#8211; It is also referred to as the &#8220;more sure word of prophecy&#8221; from time to time<br \/>\n&#8211; It is often associated with receiving the &#8220;second comforter&#8221; which some believe means a visitation from Jesus Christ himself<br \/>\n&#8211; Some assume it is directly related to a now-obscure sacred ordinance called the second anointing<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m sure there is more to it than that but those are the parts I can think of right off the top of my head.  So is there some kind of consensus about this subject?  Is it universally believed that the ordinance of the second anointing must accompany having one&#8217;s calling and election made sure?  Is it universally believed that Jesus must visit a person for this event to take place?  If a visit from God the Son is required does a dream vision count?  How about a waking vision?  Must it be a physical visit from Jesus to count?   I know there has been a popular speculation the all church apostles must have received this experience\/ordinance (in order to be &#8220;special witnesses of Christ&#8221; if I remember the logic I was told) but I have also heard Truman Madsen quoting President Grant to dispute that rumor.  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