{"id":3236,"date":"2013-05-11T18:05:40","date_gmt":"2013-05-12T01:05:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.newcoolthang.com\/?p=3236"},"modified":"2020-01-09T04:28:33","modified_gmt":"2020-01-09T11:28:33","slug":"getting-at-the-heart-of-the-female-equality-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.newcoolthang.com\/index.php\/2013\/05\/getting-at-the-heart-of-the-female-equality-debate\/3236\/","title":{"rendered":"Getting at the Heart of the Female Equality Debate"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>(<span style=\"color: #000000\"><em>Authorial Note<\/em>: This post looks long, but if you ignore the appendix section, it should be a fairly quick read. \u00a0<\/span>)<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #000000\">Women and the priesthood, wearing pants, sexism, the place of Heavenly Mother, and so forth are all major issues on the bloggernacle these days.\u00a0 The common thread in each issue is whether women are equal to men in the Church.\u00a0 Some people take the apparent inequality as a given, while their critics argue that these people have the wrong perspective.\u00a0 Men and women are equal in the church; these folks just need to look at the issue differently.\u00a0 And so the debate rages.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000\">Generally the discussion goes round in circles because the debaters share an actually unshared assumption: the meaning of equality.\u00a0 I suggest that there are three forms of equality that this discussion invokes, and since discussion partners are often using one or two different forms of equality, they end up talking past each other.\u00a0 We need to fix this if we are going to move the discussion forward.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000\">So these are the three forms: equality in terms of responsibility, acknowledgment, and theology.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000\"><b>Responsibility equality:<\/b>\u00a0Women give service.\u00a0 Men lead and give service.\u00a0 Or, if we count leading as a type of service, men give more kinds of service.\u00a0 More than that, the priesthood has a special kind of value with no strong female equivalent.\u00a0 Usually we compare priesthood with motherhood, but a more fitting comparison is fatherhood with motherhood, which leaves priesthood something extra for men, a mark of worthiness, and a special dimension for spirituality in male lives (or also in female lives via worthy men).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000\"><b>Recognition equality:<\/b>\u00a0Women get acknowledged for their hard work, but priesthood camaraderie offers a kind of appreciation among men that keeps women feeling on the outside.\u00a0 We have a very appreciative culture for young men making the next priesthood office and going on missions.\u00a0 Young women are far less recognized.\u00a0 And sometimes this starts even in the primary, anticipating the kinds of tracks these two sexes will go on once they reach twelve.\u00a0 Furthermore, the recognition adult women get for their service is often demeaning or overlooked.\u00a0 This would probably be much less of a problem if there were more women in leadership roles.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000\"><b>Theology equality:<\/b>\u00a0Men and women have equal access to the celestial kingdom.\u00a0 They both receive revelation.\u00a0 They are (supposed to be) equal partners in the home.\u00a0 In this sense, there is a fairly undeniable equality between the sexes.\u00a0 However, there are also a few theological inequalities.\u00a0 Some women take issue with wording in the endowment.\u00a0 Heavenly Mother remains a largely mysterious figure and therefore an ambiguous role model for women.\u00a0 Nevertheless, on a theological level, the sexes are largely equal. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000\"><b>So what?\u00a0<\/b>\u00a0I hope that this discussion shows that if women are equal to men in some ways, in other ways there are stark inequalities.\u00a0 Does that mean that those inequalities are wrong?\u00a0 That&#8217;s a topic for another time.\u00a0 But in the meantime, if we accept that these inequalities are real, we can at least know in what ways they are real.<\/span><!--more--><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"color: #000000\"><b>Appendix<\/b><\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000\">I originally planned on making this part of the post proper, but I figured that too few would be willing to read this much, so I&#8217;ve included it as an addendum.\u00a0 Here are four characters representing four sides of the debate (these names were randomly chosen, by the way).\u00a0 I&#8217;ve given each of them a position with three supporting arguments.\u00a0 These may not be the best arguments, but I think they are representative.\u00a0 And hopefully they&#8217;ll show how the points I&#8217;ve untangled above get mixed into the arguments that the opposing sides actually rely on (in a gist of the argument form).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000\">Alice thinks that women are unequal with men in the church, and there needs to be some reform.\u00a0 Alice bases her arguments mainly in the context of responsibility inequality.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\">(a) Men have the ultimate say in everything.\u00a0 While relief society presidents oversee women, the bishop oversees the relief society president, which means the buck stops with a man.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\">(b) Relatedly, men have more responsibility than women in the church, such that a 12 year old deacon has more authority to oversee general church operations than an adult woman.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\">(c) There is no clear woman-equivalent power to the priesthood.\u00a0 While some people compare nurturing and motherhood to the priesthood, the analogy falls apart on almost every level.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000\">Stacy thinks that women may be unequal to men in some respects, but ultimately, that&#8217;s a good thing.\u00a0 Inequality doesn&#8217;t mean that women aren&#8217;t valued, and there&#8217;s no reason to try to change things (at least mostly).\u00a0 Stacy uses all three types of (in)equality to advance her argument.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\">(a) Since men have the priesthood, they have to do more.\u00a0 Stacy doesn&#8217;t want priesthood obligations added to her other responsibilities.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\">(b) God gave men the priesthood for a reason, and we should respect that, even if we don&#8217;t understand why.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\">(c) But most importantly, motherhood is a sacred role like no other.\u00a0 Men can&#8217;t have it, and women don&#8217;t need to supplement this role with priesthood obligations.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000\">Jim&#8217;s argument closely resembles Stacy&#8217;s.\u00a0 Jim thinks that women and men have quite different roles, but those roles are ultimately equally important.\u00a0 Or rather, the perceived inequality doesn&#8217;t actually exist.\u00a0 Jim basis his arguments in the context of recognition and theology (in)equality.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\">(a) Motherhood really is a good match to the priesthood.\u00a0 This is because both are critical for developing the attributes God wants us to have.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\">(b) Women are valued for their input in leadership positions and have considerable say in what goes on in the ward.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\">(c) The priesthood makes up for a spiritual deficit that men otherwise lack.\u00a0 So at least in this sense, without the priesthood women would have an unequal advantage in God&#8217;s kingdom.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #000000\">Gary thinks that women are basically equal with men in the church and a discerning figure will agree.\u00a0 Gary&#8217;s arguments fall under theology equality.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\">(a) Men need women just as women need men to get to the celestial kingdom.\u00a0 So men aren&#8217;t more important than women.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\">(b) Women have the priesthood as evidenced in the temple.\u00a0 So those petitions to get it are redundant requests.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\">(c) Women have the same access to inspiration as men do, and they don&#8217;t need the priesthood in 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