Comments on: Survey Results Part 6- Atonement, the Popular Vote

By: Matt W.

Matt W. — Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:46:09 +0000

Patricia, sadly I did not ask that question, but I am fairly confident it would be high in the “Strongly Agree” category.

By: Patricia

Patricia — Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:50:39 +0000

I’d like to see another graph
“In Christ’s death and resuresction he did what no one else could do, he victoriously overcame death”

By: Jacob J

Jacob J — Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:41:11 +0000

Almost definitely.

By: Riley

Riley — Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:50:15 +0000

You’re going to hell Jacob J…

By: Jacob J

Jacob J — Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:26:19 +0000

I had the missionaries over to dinner last night and gave them my doctrine survey. For this statement in the survey:

Immutable eternal law requires that someone be punished in response to every individual sin.

they both scored this a “4″ (highest possible) which in my survey means “If I discovered I was wrong about this being true it would shake the foundations of my testimony in a significant way.”

Afterward, we had a good discussion about justice and the atonement. They were not prepared to think about the atonement on any other terms than the penal-subtitution theory, almost to an alarming extent, but it was an interesting discussion. I gave them a reading assignment of Alma 41-42 and told them we’ll discuss it when they are done.

By: Jacob J

Jacob J — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 01:37:26 +0000

They always just assumed mormonism has its one true theory, while all others have some apostate version.

This summarizes of a large percentage of the Sunday School comments I have ever heard.

By: Riley

Riley — Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:07:36 +0000

The thing is though, they don’t even realize there is “other” theories of atonement within mormonism (if notchristianity as a whole). So they were surprised when I explained the different mormon and lassical christian attempts at soteriology. They always just assumed mormonism has it’s one true theory, while all others have some apostate version.

By: Riley

Riley — Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:01:58 +0000

I sent your poll to my very conservative mother and sister-in-laws and they had a similar reaction to the wording. but once I explained it they were very much in agreement of Jacob’s and Blake’s views on atonement.

By: BrianJ

BrianJ — Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:44:49 +0000

Aaron R: I’d like to believe you, but personal experience (teaching my own kids) tells me that penal substitution relies on concepts that they instinctively “get.” It might be easier to teach them the other theories if I could somehow prevent them from ever being exposed to the penal substitution idea—like starting a veggie garden in a weed-free biosphere (make of that analogy what you will!).

Geoff:

God often doesn’t care when we believe false stuff.

Or maybe he’s still trying to figure it out…. ;)

By: Geoff J

Geoff J — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:13:06 +0000

Jacob: Most depressing post ever. Hehe. Well it at least supports my theory that God often doesn't care when we believe false stuff. (See here and here)