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	<title>Comments on: Review:Ignite, How to Spur Immediate Growth in Your Church</title>
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		<title>By: Matt C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Church can do so much more to invite non-members to our holiday services. What would be nice is to have a low key stake level Christmas Eve Service where people can come hear the Christmas Story and sing some Christmas Carols. Same approach for a Easter Sunrise Service.

So many non-members would be more willing to check out a church meeting on the holidays (and it&#039;s a easier &quot;sell&quot; too) than other days. Plus it helps the PR that we are in fact a Christian Church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Church can do so much more to invite non-members to our holiday services. What would be nice is to have a low key stake level Christmas Eve Service where people can come hear the Christmas Story and sing some Christmas Carols. Same approach for a Easter Sunrise Service.</p>
<p>So many non-members would be more willing to check out a church meeting on the holidays (and it&#8217;s a easier &#8220;sell&#8221; too) than other days. Plus it helps the PR that we are in fact a Christian Church.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a kid, we had Third on the Third.  The goal was for 1/3 of the congregation to be visitors on the 3rd Sunday of each month.  The Sacrament speakers were designed to present something that would appeal to this audience.  There were snacks in the gym afterward.  People would stay and mingle.  At one point, there were over 10 missionaries assigned to the ward, and the ward doubled and split in a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a kid, we had Third on the Third.  The goal was for 1/3 of the congregation to be visitors on the 3rd Sunday of each month.  The Sacrament speakers were designed to present something that would appeal to this audience.  There were snacks in the gym afterward.  People would stay and mingle.  At one point, there were over 10 missionaries assigned to the ward, and the ward doubled and split in a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just have more kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just have more kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, guys, ed&#039;s totally right.  We deceive them once, and they&#039;re obligated to keep coming back for the rest of their lives, right?  Because once a church gets its hooks in you (apparently, by getting you to come back a second time), you can never get them out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, guys, ed&#8217;s totally right.  We deceive them once, and they&#8217;re obligated to keep coming back for the rest of their lives, right?  Because once a church gets its hooks in you (apparently, by getting you to come back a second time), you can never get them out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ed42,

No one is suggesting we deceive a visitor with a &quot;big day,&quot; that&#039;s ridiculous.  The point is to create a good first impression by making sure that the topic is relevant.  It&#039;s not like we bringing in a band and catering on the &quot;big day.&quot;  What, you think first impressions make no difference?</description>
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<p>No one is suggesting we deceive a visitor with a &#8220;big day,&#8221; that&#8217;s ridiculous.  The point is to create a good first impression by making sure that the topic is relevant.  It&#8217;s not like we bringing in a band and catering on the &#8220;big day.&#8221;  What, you think first impressions make no difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was genuine and involved physical contact.  People moved to shake my hand before the meeting went on.  Our meeting-houses are more sparsely populated and I see alot of people sitting on their own.

ed: I am not sure it is deceptive.  It is merely making an effort to think about the ways the Church (through its structure) might create unintended barriers to how people respond to the Church.  Then it is an effort to remove as many of these as possible.

I agree that there does not need to be a complete reformulation of Church but just approach it through how someone else experiences their first experience.

In the same way, I would never invite someone to a Fast and Testimony meeting for someone&#039;s first week, because it is an experience familiar to Mormons but not to non-Mormons.  I don&#039;t think this is deceptive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was genuine and involved physical contact.  People moved to shake my hand before the meeting went on.  Our meeting-houses are more sparsely populated and I see alot of people sitting on their own.</p>
<p>ed: I am not sure it is deceptive.  It is merely making an effort to think about the ways the Church (through its structure) might create unintended barriers to how people respond to the Church.  Then it is an effort to remove as many of these as possible.</p>
<p>I agree that there does not need to be a complete reformulation of Church but just approach it through how someone else experiences their first experience.</p>
<p>In the same way, I would never invite someone to a Fast and Testimony meeting for someone&#8217;s first week, because it is an experience familiar to Mormons but not to non-Mormons.  I don&#8217;t think this is deceptive.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardis: I love it, I will steel it and suggest it to the Ward Mission Leader.

Rico: WE do welcoming during priesthood/relief society in our ward (and most wards I&#039;ve been in) this evangelical welcoming obviously impressed you. What made it more impactful than ours. 

ed: It is not deception, as I am not at all suggesting we change the routine of church. (Though Rico did propose such, but his alternative was to explain the basic routine.). I think it is just a matter of a ward deciding to put all it&#039;s best people to speak on a single sunday, assigned to topics they are known to have a talent in and skill for. Perhaps this should be done every sunday, but I think it is not sustainable to demand &quot;top talent&quot; every sunday from a volunteer church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis: I love it, I will steel it and suggest it to the Ward Mission Leader.</p>
<p>Rico: WE do welcoming during priesthood/relief society in our ward (and most wards I&#8217;ve been in) this evangelical welcoming obviously impressed you. What made it more impactful than ours. </p>
<p>ed: It is not deception, as I am not at all suggesting we change the routine of church. (Though Rico did propose such, but his alternative was to explain the basic routine.). I think it is just a matter of a ward deciding to put all it&#8217;s best people to speak on a single sunday, assigned to topics they are known to have a talent in and skill for. Perhaps this should be done every sunday, but I think it is not sustainable to demand &#8220;top talent&#8221; every sunday from a volunteer church.</p>
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		<title>By: ed42</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds great, deceive the investigators with a &#039;big day&#039;.  What happens when they come back next week and it is the same basic/boring routine?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds great, deceive the investigators with a &#8216;big day&#8217;.  What happens when they come back next week and it is the same basic/boring routine?</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3 - yes, I think they worked.  At the very least people actually brought their friends, which is fairly rare as it is.  The wards (active) size has increased 25% in the last 3 years, which is not bad.  I think people like them as well, because it makes Church a little different.  Often they would cancel sunday school and P./RS (keep primary - because kids just get in the way) and have an open house for an hour followed by some food.

#10 - I attended a Evangelical meeting the other week, the asked people to stand if you had not been there before and then invited the congregation to welcome you.  I was reaching over rows to shake peoples hands (i felt a little uncomfortable but it felt good).  They also gave a small package with a dvd, a thank you card and a feedback form with other information about different services.  They then emailed me and and sent me a letter thanking me for attending.  Other Churches do a much better job of this kind of thing.

However, in my experience or Church structure invites a different type of response from attendees.  Most other Churches you just sit in the hall and then it ends.  We move between classes and invite response.  Moreover, the lay clergy means we are all really busy and this presents new challenges with trying to help people feel welcome and comfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3 &#8211; yes, I think they worked.  At the very least people actually brought their friends, which is fairly rare as it is.  The wards (active) size has increased 25% in the last 3 years, which is not bad.  I think people like them as well, because it makes Church a little different.  Often they would cancel sunday school and P./RS (keep primary &#8211; because kids just get in the way) and have an open house for an hour followed by some food.</p>
<p>#10 &#8211; I attended a Evangelical meeting the other week, the asked people to stand if you had not been there before and then invited the congregation to welcome you.  I was reaching over rows to shake peoples hands (i felt a little uncomfortable but it felt good).  They also gave a small package with a dvd, a thank you card and a feedback form with other information about different services.  They then emailed me and and sent me a letter thanking me for attending.  Other Churches do a much better job of this kind of thing.</p>
<p>However, in my experience or Church structure invites a different type of response from attendees.  Most other Churches you just sit in the hall and then it ends.  We move between classes and invite response.  Moreover, the lay clergy means we are all really busy and this presents new challenges with trying to help people feel welcome and comfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just pulled out the thank you card. it says: &quot;May 18, 2009 / Dear Ardis, / Thanks for being a part of our worship service at Franconia on Sunday. We pray that the service was a blessing to your life. We invite you to worship with us whenever you can. / May God&#039;s grace and peace be yours.  Sincerely, / Pastor Steve Landis&quot; (signed &quot;Steve&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just pulled out the thank you card. it says: &#8220;May 18, 2009 / Dear Ardis, / Thanks for being a part of our worship service at Franconia on Sunday. We pray that the service was a blessing to your life. We invite you to worship with us whenever you can. / May God&#8217;s grace and peace be yours.  Sincerely, / Pastor Steve Landis&#8221; (signed &#8220;Steve&#8221;)</p>
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