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		<title>By: Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank goodness for the enlightened East Coast Mormon Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank goodness for the enlightened East Coast Mormon Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;In the current political atmosphere, to say this subject won’t draw political lines in church is ridiculous&lt;/em&gt;

Excuse me, what is particularly political about the involvement of a private organization in charitable activities?  Do you suppose that political conservatives are against the second great commandment?  Are fast offerings on the list to be eliminated? Deseret Industries? Bishop&#039;s storehouses? Welfare Square? Humanitarian Services? What other programs of the church are the troglodytes against?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>In the current political atmosphere, to say this subject won’t draw political lines in church is ridiculous</em></p>
<p>Excuse me, what is particularly political about the involvement of a private organization in charitable activities?  Do you suppose that political conservatives are against the second great commandment?  Are fast offerings on the list to be eliminated? Deseret Industries? Bishop&#8217;s storehouses? Welfare Square? Humanitarian Services? What other programs of the church are the troglodytes against?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This forum is only the beginning of the arguments that are going to ensue within the church because of this change.  90% of my Ward is Democrat (East Coast) as are most of the Wards out here. In the current political atmosphere, to say this subject won&#039;t draw political lines in church is ridiculous.  More is spoken of about the poor than almost any subject in scripture.  It was the difference between Sodom (Ezek 16:49) and Enoch&#039;s city.  It is always about the poor.  The D&amp;C says clearly again and again things like &quot;But it is not given that one man should possess that which is above another, wherefore the world lieth in sin.&quot; How many talks do we have to read by Hugh Nibley about money and Babylon?  It is the poor and, yes, a government&#039;s care for the poor that defines a society.  Private support of the poor is necessary for our own salvation (Mosiah 4) but government support is also clearly expressed EVERYWHERE in the scripture regardless of what Glen Beck says.  This is a great turn for the church and will spark much needed discussion, but there will be disagreement for a while.  Even church leaders disagree about this subject right now.  But creating an Enoch Society isn&#039;t going to happen overnight until our hearts get right with money.  This change will force all of us to read scriptures about money and the poor, even the uncomfortable ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This forum is only the beginning of the arguments that are going to ensue within the church because of this change.  90% of my Ward is Democrat (East Coast) as are most of the Wards out here. In the current political atmosphere, to say this subject won&#8217;t draw political lines in church is ridiculous.  More is spoken of about the poor than almost any subject in scripture.  It was the difference between Sodom (Ezek 16:49) and Enoch&#8217;s city.  It is always about the poor.  The D&amp;C says clearly again and again things like &#8220;But it is not given that one man should possess that which is above another, wherefore the world lieth in sin.&#8221; How many talks do we have to read by Hugh Nibley about money and Babylon?  It is the poor and, yes, a government&#8217;s care for the poor that defines a society.  Private support of the poor is necessary for our own salvation (Mosiah 4) but government support is also clearly expressed EVERYWHERE in the scripture regardless of what Glen Beck says.  This is a great turn for the church and will spark much needed discussion, but there will be disagreement for a while.  Even church leaders disagree about this subject right now.  But creating an Enoch Society isn&#8217;t going to happen overnight until our hearts get right with money.  This change will force all of us to read scriptures about money and the poor, even the uncomfortable ones.</p>
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		<title>By: skhe</title>
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		<dc:creator>skhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric # 15   

Latter-day Saint Humanitarian Center which is under the umbrella of the church welfare system.

The Latter-day Saint Humanitarian Center was established in 1991 in Salt Lake City, Utah to (1) prepare emergency relief supplies for shipment worldwide, (2) train those desiring to develop employable skills and become self-reliant, and (3) offer service opportunities.

Relief Supplies

The emergency relief supplies required by the Church include clothing, personal care kits, and medical supplies. Once donated, these items are processed and prepared for shipment to where they are needed most. In a typical year, the Latter-day Saint Humanitarian Center will ship about 12 million pounds of shoes and clothing, 1 million hygiene kits, and 1 million pounds of medical supplies to relieve suffering in more than 100 countries.

Training

At any given time, more than 100 individuals—mostly refugees and immigrants—are being trained at the center to join the workforce and become self-reliant. These trainees, representing as many as 30 countries and 20 different languages, attend classes in English, computer skills, and customer service. Trainees are assigned a job coach who, in addition to work skills, emphasizes the importance of attendance, punctuality, personal hygiene, and other basic life skills. Training lasts up to 18 months, after which assistance is provided in finding long-term employment.

Here are some other articles.  The LDS Church provides relief to thousands of people that are not LDS, and they do not add &quot;religious tracks&quot;  like so many people think they do.  

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1023346/mormon_church_helps_during_hurricane_katrina/

http://www.ldsphilanthropies.org/humanitarian-services/news-features/church-recognized-for.html

Elder Ballard honored by Catholic Community http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/58225/Elder-Ballard-honored-by-Catholic-Community-Services.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric # 15   </p>
<p>Latter-day Saint Humanitarian Center which is under the umbrella of the church welfare system.</p>
<p>The Latter-day Saint Humanitarian Center was established in 1991 in Salt Lake City, Utah to (1) prepare emergency relief supplies for shipment worldwide, (2) train those desiring to develop employable skills and become self-reliant, and (3) offer service opportunities.</p>
<p>Relief Supplies</p>
<p>The emergency relief supplies required by the Church include clothing, personal care kits, and medical supplies. Once donated, these items are processed and prepared for shipment to where they are needed most. In a typical year, the Latter-day Saint Humanitarian Center will ship about 12 million pounds of shoes and clothing, 1 million hygiene kits, and 1 million pounds of medical supplies to relieve suffering in more than 100 countries.</p>
<p>Training</p>
<p>At any given time, more than 100 individuals—mostly refugees and immigrants—are being trained at the center to join the workforce and become self-reliant. These trainees, representing as many as 30 countries and 20 different languages, attend classes in English, computer skills, and customer service. Trainees are assigned a job coach who, in addition to work skills, emphasizes the importance of attendance, punctuality, personal hygiene, and other basic life skills. Training lasts up to 18 months, after which assistance is provided in finding long-term employment.</p>
<p>Here are some other articles.  The LDS Church provides relief to thousands of people that are not LDS, and they do not add &#8220;religious tracks&#8221;  like so many people think they do.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1023346/mormon_church_helps_during_hurricane_katrina/" rel="nofollow">http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1023346/mormon_church_helps_during_hurricane_katrina/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ldsphilanthropies.org/humanitarian-services/news-features/church-recognized-for.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ldsphilanthropies.org/humanitarian-services/news-features/church-recognized-for.html</a></p>
<p>Elder Ballard honored by Catholic Community <a href="http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/58225/Elder-Ballard-honored-by-Catholic-Community-Services.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/58225/Elder-Ballard-honored-by-Catholic-Community-Services.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: BrianJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like what I suggested in #14 is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705351000/Care-for-needy-is-ongoing-charge.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more or less accurate&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;[Bishop Edgley, first counselor in the Presiding Bishopric, said] &quot;Including language about caring for the poor and needy...recognizes the long-standing practices of the church. I don&#039;t think you&#039;re going to see anything change, but we&#039;re always trying to be sensitive to the needs of others and to be better at delivering relief.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like what I suggested in #14 is <a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705351000/Care-for-needy-is-ongoing-charge.html" rel="nofollow">more or less accurate</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>[Bishop Edgley, first counselor in the Presiding Bishopric, said] &#8220;Including language about caring for the poor and needy&#8230;recognizes the long-standing practices of the church. I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re going to see anything change, but we&#8217;re always trying to be sensitive to the needs of others and to be better at delivering relief.&#8221;
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		<title>By: Manuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds very exciting.  The Church does provide some specific welfare services that are absolutely unique and wonderful.  These however, are sometimes not heard about, and as a result, some members who would probably be interested in participating don&#039;t know about them.

I believe that by bringing this area into the spotlight many more members will understand those Church programs and will want to participate.  Instead of having to simply donate some amount to a vague box in their tithing and offerings slip.  I think we will understand better what that vague box stands for.  And this is of course a core value of Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds very exciting.  The Church does provide some specific welfare services that are absolutely unique and wonderful.  These however, are sometimes not heard about, and as a result, some members who would probably be interested in participating don&#8217;t know about them.</p>
<p>I believe that by bringing this area into the spotlight many more members will understand those Church programs and will want to participate.  Instead of having to simply donate some amount to a vague box in their tithing and offerings slip.  I think we will understand better what that vague box stands for.  And this is of course a core value of Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Henrichsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Henrichsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All is well. I have said in a number of places that this is not a partisan issue. I do not think Matt&#039;s comment was meant to make it one, so I was taking a poke at the other Chris&#039; comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All is well. I have said in a number of places that this is not a partisan issue. I do not think Matt&#8217;s comment was meant to make it one, so I was taking a poke at the other Chris&#8217; comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m cool as a cucumber, no need to chill further. I&#039;m glad you were being sarcastic, but you gave voice to a very real sentiment which is what I am really responding to.  No hard feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m cool as a cucumber, no need to chill further. I&#8217;m glad you were being sarcastic, but you gave voice to a very real sentiment which is what I am really responding to.  No hard feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Henrichsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Henrichsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob J,

I was being sarcastic. Chill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob J,</p>
<p>I was being sarcastic. Chill.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardis #24- I am guilty of this. I always pay my fast offering, then when I am directly asked by a stranger for help, I rarely ever give.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis #24- I am guilty of this. I always pay my fast offering, then when I am directly asked by a stranger for help, I rarely ever give.</p>
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