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	<title>Comments on: Mormonism and Creedal Christianity</title>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blake,

I thought I wasn&#039;t going to get vol. 2 for Christmas because I couldn&#039;t find anywhere online to buy it. From what I gathered, Kofford Books has it set up so that you have to buy it before knowing how much you are paying. That website needs some major changes. 

Fortunately I accidentally discovered it in the local LDS themed bookstore (which has a monopoly on all of Houston). It was marked down and so it was an especially sweet deal for me. Thanks for the great Christmas present Blake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake,</p>
<p>I thought I wasn&#8217;t going to get vol. 2 for Christmas because I couldn&#8217;t find anywhere online to buy it. From what I gathered, Kofford Books has it set up so that you have to buy it before knowing how much you are paying. That website needs some major changes. </p>
<p>Fortunately I accidentally discovered it in the local LDS themed bookstore (which has a monopoly on all of Houston). It was marked down and so it was an especially sweet deal for me. Thanks for the great Christmas present Blake.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have tried to order volume 2 from Kofford Books directly and it doesn&#039;t work.  Amazon has one copy available for $1000.  Just FYI.  But I have read volume 3 and it does treat this topic very well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tried to order volume 2 from Kofford Books directly and it doesn&#8217;t work.  Amazon has one copy available for $1000.  Just FYI.  But I have read volume 3 and it does treat this topic very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe because their website is really bad Blake... I mean I love their books, but their website just screams &quot;not secure&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe because their website is really bad Blake&#8230; I mean I love their books, but their website just screams &#8220;not secure&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Riley: Unfortunately, the 1st print run of vol. 3 was crappy. I&#039;m not aware of these problems with respect to vols. 1 and 2. How come no one orders these books directly from Kofford Books?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riley: Unfortunately, the 1st print run of vol. 3 was crappy. I&#8217;m not aware of these problems with respect to vols. 1 and 2. How come no one orders these books directly from Kofford Books?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see how &quot;maker of all that is, seen and unseen&quot; is anything other than &lt;em&gt;creatio ex nihilo&lt;/em&gt; or theo-ontology.  

Of course the creation spoken of can be a timeless creation.  Nothing about &lt;em&gt;creatio ex nihilo&lt;/em&gt; (as traditionally interpreted) requires that the universe be created at some specific time in the past. It just means that everything that exists has some sort of dependence on divine providence: logical, temporal, or causal or any combination of the three. 

It is pretty easy for everything to be a reflection of divine grace under conditions like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how &#8220;maker of all that is, seen and unseen&#8221; is anything other than <em>creatio ex nihilo</em> or theo-ontology.  </p>
<p>Of course the creation spoken of can be a timeless creation.  Nothing about <em>creatio ex nihilo</em> (as traditionally interpreted) requires that the universe be created at some specific time in the past. It just means that everything that exists has some sort of dependence on divine providence: logical, temporal, or causal or any combination of the three. </p>
<p>It is pretty easy for everything to be a reflection of divine grace under conditions like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blake, 

Until you get your Kofford peeps to start printing more runs of your books (particularly Vol. 2) and also tell them to use better binding materials/techniques after printing said runs, I think that you should not dare say anything about them.

I simply can&#039;t tolerate lending my copies out anymore (I re-read them too often and am irritated at how easy the pages spilt out of the binding).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake, </p>
<p>Until you get your Kofford peeps to start printing more runs of your books (particularly Vol. 2) and also tell them to use better binding materials/techniques after printing said runs, I think that you should not dare say anything about them.</p>
<p>I simply can&#8217;t tolerate lending my copies out anymore (I re-read them too often and am irritated at how easy the pages spilt out of the binding).</p>
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		<title>By: WVS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WVS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I mentioned ex nihilo, I did not mean to imply that *that* was a settled issue at the time.  Far from it.  But people were beginning to think that way.  Pelagianism would begin to force people&#039;s hands on a number of issues, including that one, but it wouldn&#039;t become official &quot;contradict and you&#039;re anathema&quot; doctrine for another 6 centuries or so.  So I guess it&#039;s baggage *now*.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I mentioned ex nihilo, I did not mean to imply that *that* was a settled issue at the time.  Far from it.  But people were beginning to think that way.  Pelagianism would begin to force people&#8217;s hands on a number of issues, including that one, but it wouldn&#8217;t become official &#8220;contradict and you&#8217;re anathema&#8221; doctrine for another 6 centuries or so.  So I guess it&#8217;s baggage *now*.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think &quot;begotten, not made&quot; is an entirely appropriate way to describe our relationship with the Father.

All the consubstantial stuff is meaningless when set apart from &lt;em&gt;creatio ex nihilo&lt;/em&gt;, although I suppose it might have some relevance relative to the idea of &lt;em&gt;static&lt;/em&gt; perfection, a concept which would make the Father and the Son have &lt;em&gt;identical&lt;/em&gt; divine attributes in all but name.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;begotten, not made&#8221; is an entirely appropriate way to describe our relationship with the Father.</p>
<p>All the consubstantial stuff is meaningless when set apart from <em>creatio ex nihilo</em>, although I suppose it might have some relevance relative to the idea of <em>static</em> perfection, a concept which would make the Father and the Son have <em>identical</em> divine attributes in all but name.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
		<link>http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2009/12/mormonism-and-creedal-christianity/1792/comment-page-1/#comment-399074</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The impossible to get volume 3... I have ordered it twice from Amazon, only to be denied....

Jacob J: ultimately this post grew out of my own wish to borrow the term &quot;begotten, not made&quot; to describe our relationship with Heavenly Father, but I needed to make sure I could do so without stumbling on &quot;being of one substance with the Father&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The impossible to get volume 3&#8230; I have ordered it twice from Amazon, only to be denied&#8230;.</p>
<p>Jacob J: ultimately this post grew out of my own wish to borrow the term &#8220;begotten, not made&#8221; to describe our relationship with Heavenly Father, but I needed to make sure I could do so without stumbling on &#8220;being of one substance with the Father&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2009/12/mormonism-and-creedal-christianity/1792/comment-page-1/#comment-399031</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dare I say that I treat this issue at length in ch. 6 of my 3rd vol.?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dare I say that I treat this issue at length in ch. 6 of my 3rd vol.?</p>
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