That is pretty radical idea you are preaching. basically in your model there is virtually no continuity between a premortal us and current us (if a premortal us even exists at all in your model which is not clear). In your model we are created basically from scratch here in our mortal bodies right?

What is the interpretation of your model of the council in heaven?

The bigger point was that Joseph clearly thinks there’s real entities there even if combined with the experience is a vision in the sense I was using it. (A virtual reality presentation)

an angel appeared before me, his hands and feet were naked pure and white, and he stood between the floors of the room, clothed with purity inexpressible, he said unto me I am a messenger sent from God, be faithful and keep his commandments in all things, he told me of a sacred record which was written on plates of gold, I saw in the vision the place where they were deposited, he said the Indians were the literal descendants of Abraham he explained many of the prophesies to me

The particles I am thinking of are much more primitive – that is why I say a “tinge” of intelligence. Brigham Young appeared to hold more or less the same position.

Orson Pratt was in between, i.e. every spirit particle could potentially have a full blown mind and be in fully cognizant unity with the head particle. As impractical as that sounds, the idea of a head particle with a full eternal mind is more compatible with the KFD than the tinge of intelligence model, of course.

As of late I am more sympathetic to the point of view that we were preceded by a number of particles each with a tinge of intelligence, not just one. That is more like the Brigham Young / Orson Pratt view.

The difference for me, is I am inclined to delay bodily existence (as a person with an extended body) until mortality in nearly all cases. I don’t have a hard reason to reject viviparous spirit birth (VSB) I just don’t know what good it does in the general case.

Post-mortality pre-resurrection is a different situation, as I mentioned above. We already have the essentials of a body, no reason to get rid of it completely. Can’t say I want to look like someone else in the next world either.

I also don’t see how one can remember or even (in the general case) preserve fundamental habits, discipline, and character unless the internal structure of the brain is preserved in some form or another. The idea that our acquired character could be dumped on a computer disk isn’t very appealing, although sometimes I admit it might be a logical possibility. Either way, I can hardly believe that resurrection involves re-creating a person from a backup tape.

Are you suggesting that a pre-mortal spirit might (or must?) not have physical extension prior to merger with a physical body?