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	<title>Comments on: A Review of LDS teachings regarding a Heavenly Mother.</title>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently came across a source on the names of God&#039;s  that noted El Shaddai, which we normally consider to be &quot;God Almighty&quot; could be rendered El Shadayim or &quot;God with Breasts&quot;. I thought this was pretty interesting, in light of Heavenly Mother. Just commenting here so I don&#039;t forget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently came across a source on the names of God&#8217;s  that noted El Shaddai, which we normally consider to be &#8220;God Almighty&#8221; could be rendered El Shadayim or &#8220;God with Breasts&#8221;. I thought this was pretty interesting, in light of Heavenly Mother. Just commenting here so I don&#8217;t forget.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahonri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mahonri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this reference in footnote 12 correct -

Deseret Evening News, 9 February 189 ?

I&#039;d love to look up the original text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this reference in footnote 12 correct -</p>
<p>Deseret Evening News, 9 February 189 ?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to look up the original text.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, once we got past me disagreeing with what you &lt;em&gt;weren&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; saying and you disagreeing with what I &lt;em&gt;wasn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; saying, it all worked out :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, once we got past me disagreeing with what you <em>weren&#8217;t</em> saying and you disagreeing with what I <em>wasn&#8217;t</em> saying, it all worked out :)</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A. Davis: By Jove, I think you&#039;ve got it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A. Davis: By Jove, I think you&#8217;ve got it!</p>
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		<title>By: A. Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so we have clarity, I had understood Blake&#039;s position on three levels. Only the last is correct.

&lt;strong&gt;Option 1&lt;/strong&gt;
Heavenly Father offers unity at some t1 = -âˆž. The Son and Holy Ghost accept at some time t2 = -âˆž.

I objected to this scenario saying it doesn&#039;t make any sense - that it isn&#039;t mathematically sound. Everybody agrees. /yay

&lt;strong&gt;Option 2&lt;/strong&gt;
Heavenly Father offers unity at some finite time t1, and acceptance similarly comes at some time t2.

If this is the case, then there will be a point in the past where the Godhead did not exist.

&lt;strong&gt;Option 3&lt;/strong&gt;
Heavenly father offers unity &lt;em&gt;repeatedly&lt;/em&gt; in some denumerable way creating a whole set of times T1 = {t1,t2,t3,...}. The offer is accepted in some denumerable way creating a whole set of times T2 = {ta,tb,tc,...}. Both sets, T1 and T2 have the same cardinality (aleph0). 

Conclusion, mathematically sound (given time is not a continuum).


So, hopefully my initial confusion (my apologies) has been cleared up and everybody is on the same page now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so we have clarity, I had understood Blake&#8217;s position on three levels. Only the last is correct.</p>
<p><strong>Option 1</strong><br />
Heavenly Father offers unity at some t1 = -âˆž. The Son and Holy Ghost accept at some time t2 = -âˆž.</p>
<p>I objected to this scenario saying it doesn&#8217;t make any sense &#8211; that it isn&#8217;t mathematically sound. Everybody agrees. /yay</p>
<p><strong>Option 2</strong><br />
Heavenly Father offers unity at some finite time t1, and acceptance similarly comes at some time t2.</p>
<p>If this is the case, then there will be a point in the past where the Godhead did not exist.</p>
<p><strong>Option 3</strong><br />
Heavenly father offers unity <em>repeatedly</em> in some denumerable way creating a whole set of times T1 = {t1,t2,t3,&#8230;}. The offer is accepted in some denumerable way creating a whole set of times T2 = {ta,tb,tc,&#8230;}. Both sets, T1 and T2 have the same cardinality (aleph0). </p>
<p>Conclusion, mathematically sound (given time is not a continuum).</p>
<p>So, hopefully my initial confusion (my apologies) has been cleared up and everybody is on the same page now.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blake, I think you missed post 184 where once I understood the nature of the time frames you described, I agreed. While I was entirely correct about what I was talking about (in the posts prior to 184), it wasn&#039;t, unfortunately, what you were talking about .

Now, it shouldn&#039;t be taken that my agreement with the math of your posited setup means agreement with the theology. One could equally posit that the Father offers unity every billion years {t1,t1+1E9,t1+2E9,...} and that the Son and Holy Ghost only accept every six billion years {t1,t1+6E9,t1+12E9,...} and still both sets will have the same infinite size. And by the same reasoning one is allowed to say in the above scenario &quot;that there is no time at which the Godhead does not exist and that the Godhead exists at all times of an infinite array of times.&quot;

Disclaimer: Of course, this scenario is only valid if we allow time to be a discrete sequence of events (which I personally tend to believe). If we instead think of time as a continuum then the argument has to be adjusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake, I think you missed post 184 where once I understood the nature of the time frames you described, I agreed. While I was entirely correct about what I was talking about (in the posts prior to 184), it wasn&#8217;t, unfortunately, what you were talking about .</p>
<p>Now, it shouldn&#8217;t be taken that my agreement with the math of your posited setup means agreement with the theology. One could equally posit that the Father offers unity every billion years {t1,t1+1E9,t1+2E9,&#8230;} and that the Son and Holy Ghost only accept every six billion years {t1,t1+6E9,t1+12E9,&#8230;} and still both sets will have the same infinite size. And by the same reasoning one is allowed to say in the above scenario &#8220;that there is no time at which the Godhead does not exist and that the Godhead exists at all times of an infinite array of times.&#8221;</p>
<p>Disclaimer: Of course, this scenario is only valid if we allow time to be a discrete sequence of events (which I personally tend to believe). If we instead think of time as a continuum then the argument has to be adjusted.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 05:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A. Davis: &quot;f they accepted the offer &lt;em&gt;at some finite distance in time from now&lt;/em&gt; in the past, then there is a finite time from now in the past in which they did not accept the offer.&quot;

Clark is correct. There simply is not a point that is an infinite distance from now. Once again, infinity is a property of the entire set of points and not of any given point. Any given point does not have the property of being infinitely distant from anything any more than the number 4 has the property of being an infinite number though it is a part of an infinite set of numbers. You continue to commit the fallacy of division regarding infinite sets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A. Davis: &#8220;f they accepted the offer <em>at some finite distance in time from now</em> in the past, then there is a finite time from now in the past in which they did not accept the offer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Clark is correct. There simply is not a point that is an infinite distance from now. Once again, infinity is a property of the entire set of points and not of any given point. Any given point does not have the property of being infinitely distant from anything any more than the number 4 has the property of being an infinite number though it is a part of an infinite set of numbers. You continue to commit the fallacy of division regarding infinite sets.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark: I think you miss my point. The fact something is a subset doesnâ€™t entail what you think it does.

I think I miss your point as well.


PS: These are the definitions I&#039;m working with:

Set A is a proper subset of set B iff all the members of A are also members of B, but not all the members of B are members of A.

The cardinality of a set is the number of members it contains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark: I think you miss my point. The fact something is a subset doesnâ€™t entail what you think it does.</p>
<p>I think I miss your point as well.</p>
<p>PS: These are the definitions I&#8217;m working with:</p>
<p>Set A is a proper subset of set B iff all the members of A are also members of B, but not all the members of B are members of A.</p>
<p>The cardinality of a set is the number of members it contains.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you miss my point.  The fact something is a subset doesn&#039;t entail what you think it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you miss my point.  The fact something is a subset doesn&#8217;t entail what you think it does.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The subsets I outlined *in post 184* are proper...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The subsets I outlined *in post 184* are proper&#8230;</p>
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