Comments on: My struggle with Love Unfeigned http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/ Mormon Musings by yer ol' pals Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:02:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Matthew Chapman http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/comment-page-1/#comment-275035 Matthew Chapman Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:14:58 +0000 http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/#comment-275035 I think that the use of the word “love” in the scriptures is another one of those instances where the prophets use a human word to describe an eternal concept which is entirely beyond our mortal understanding: Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. – 1 John 3:1 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. – John 4:10 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. – John 4:11 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. – St. John 13:34 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ “This is true love - you think this happens every day?” “Death cannot stop true love. All it can do is delay it for a while.” “Sonny, true love is the greatest thing, in the world...except for a nice mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, where the mutton is nice and lean, and the tomato is ripe.” (The Princess Bride, in case you didn’t know) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ “The difference between the feeling you get from the Holy Ghost and the feeling you get from being in love is, love is more pink, while the Holy Ghost is light blue.” – my wife (and I know exactly what she means) I think that the use of the word “love” in the scriptures is another one of those instances where the prophets use a human word to describe an eternal concept which is entirely beyond our mortal understanding:

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. – 1 John 3:1

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. – John 4:10

Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. – John 4:11

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. – St. John 13:34

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“This is true love – you think this happens every day?”
“Death cannot stop true love. All it can do is delay it for a while.”
“Sonny, true love is the greatest thing, in the world…except for a nice mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, where the mutton is nice and lean, and the tomato is ripe.”
(The Princess Bride, in case you didn’t know)

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“The difference between the feeling you get from the Holy Ghost and the feeling you get from being in love is, love is more pink, while the Holy Ghost is light blue.” – my wife (and I know exactly what she means)

]]> By: Taylor http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/comment-page-1/#comment-274296 Taylor Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:18:34 +0000 http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/#comment-274296 I love that you ended your post with a video of the Bouncing Souls. Beautiful. I love that you ended your post with a video of the Bouncing Souls. Beautiful.

]]> By: Matt W. http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/comment-page-1/#comment-274174 Matt W. Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:35:56 +0000 http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/#comment-274174 Stephen: That is a very interesting comment. Can I ask you to ellaborate? Stephen: That is a very interesting comment. Can I ask you to ellaborate?

]]> By: Stephen M (Ethesis) http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/comment-page-1/#comment-274164 Stephen M (Ethesis) Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:00:51 +0000 http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/#comment-274164 I think we forget that we can choose both love and life some times. I think we forget that we can choose both love and life some times.

]]> By: Hal http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/comment-page-1/#comment-274145 Hal Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:52:36 +0000 http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/#comment-274145 I want good things for my wife. (and I don't really mean 'things', but goodness) Many of those good things I have a hand in finding, creating, and supplying. Often the price is my own selfish interests. That is what love is. I believe this also relates to our love of all people. I want good things for my wife. (and I don’t really mean ‘things’, but goodness) Many of those good things I have a hand in finding, creating, and supplying. Often the price is my own selfish interests. That is what love is. I believe this also relates to our love of all people.

]]> By: Eric Russell http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/comment-page-1/#comment-273824 Eric Russell Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:43:27 +0000 http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/#comment-273824 Yeah, love as a verb is problematic because it ignores motives. Love is a motive that brings about action, not action itself. Yeah, love as a verb is problematic because it ignores motives. Love is a motive that brings about action, not action itself.

]]> By: Clean Cut http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/comment-page-1/#comment-273810 Clean Cut Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:57:11 +0000 http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/#comment-273810 Interesting points to ponder. Your line, "perhaps we do not choose who we fall in love with, but I do believe we do choose who we stay in love with" rings very true. But my favorite part of this post was making the connection about loving one another and "never dissembl[ing]" meaning "love unfeigned". I guess I was ignorant, after all. Thanks for doing the homework for me: "So the song says we’ll love one another and we won’t fake it." Great insight. Interesting points to ponder. Your line, “perhaps we do not choose who we fall in love with, but I do believe we do choose who we stay in love with” rings very true. But my favorite part of this post was making the connection about loving one another and “never dissembl[ing]” meaning “love unfeigned”. I guess I was ignorant, after all. Thanks for doing the homework for me: “So the song says we’ll love one another and we won’t fake it.” Great insight.

]]> By: Eric Nielson http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/comment-page-1/#comment-273780 Eric Nielson Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:30:09 +0000 http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/#comment-273780 <em>When are we being really loving, and when is our body tricking us in order to meet its own selfish ends</em>? You'll know. When are we being really loving, and when is our body tricking us in order to meet its own selfish ends?

You’ll know.

]]> By: Matt W. http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/comment-page-1/#comment-273772 Matt W. Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:56:55 +0000 http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/#comment-273772 Eric: But what does that verb really mean? The problem with the five languages, or the greek loves, or what have you, is that while English puts all those meanings into one little word, only one of those meanings is really Love unfeigned, and the rest are something else. When are we being really loving, and when is our body tricking us in order to meet its own selfish ends? Eric: But what does that verb really mean?

The problem with the five languages, or the greek loves, or what have you, is that while English puts all those meanings into one little word, only one of those meanings is really Love unfeigned, and the rest are something else.

When are we being really loving, and when is our body tricking us in order to meet its own selfish ends?

]]> By: Matt W. http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/comment-page-1/#comment-273770 Matt W. Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:52:32 +0000 http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2008/11/my-struggle-with-love-unfeigned/582/#comment-273770 Ramie: My thoughts have been very much along these same lines, with our problem being that we confuse putting someone else's needs and hopes and dreams up as equally important to ourselves with our own internal physical needs. Ayn Rand said that even when we are altruistic to others, we are doing it to fulfil some selfish need within ourselves. I think this is right, except that love is making others equal to self, and so the others needs become our needs and it is wholly appropriate to interdependently want that fulfillment within our now expanded self. Perhaps we do not expand ourselves far enough? Ramie: My thoughts have been very much along these same lines, with our problem being that we confuse putting someone else’s needs and hopes and dreams up as equally important to ourselves with our own internal physical needs.

Ayn Rand said that even when we are altruistic to others, we are doing it to fulfil some selfish need within ourselves. I think this is right, except that love is making others equal to self, and so the others needs become our needs and it is wholly appropriate to interdependently want that fulfillment within our now expanded self.

Perhaps we do not expand ourselves far enough?

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