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		<title>By: Dominick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Scriptures seem to identify a God in time, yet a God that is somehow beyond time, not constrained by it the way we are (1 Peter 3). God could have existed during an unmetered duration--or during no &quot;time&quot; at all--with an eternal purpose to create the world He wanted, and an eternal purpose to accomplish particular things in each or our lives. And when He acted to create He entered into time, of necessity, now having a past and a present. 

Tremendous comfort can still come from knowing that God has always been in control and will never relinquish it. One might also draw a deeper comfort from knowing that God is in time with me right now, not unreachably transcendent, but right in this moment with me. And because He&#039;s in this moment He can act to respond to my needs and prayers. 

I believe that God proved to us that he had control over time when Jesus turned water into wine (John 2: 1-11.)  Look at what the master of the banquet said, â€œEveryone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink, but you have saved the best for last.â€  Choice wine is aged with perfection and I believe that part of Jesus performing that â€œwater into wine,â€ miracle was to show Godâ€™s control over time. (This has nothing to do with this topic but I believe the wine was non-alcoholic)  

People now a-days are still trying to intellectually understand the unexplainable.  Our human minds canâ€™t fully comprehend God and Heaven.  There are words of description that I believe God has not revealed to us hear on earth, that could explain more, but we as humans canâ€™t understand.  What about the people that come to God and say â€œGod look how big my problem is, can you fix it.â€  How about going to the problem and saying â€œProblem, look how big my God is.â€  Some people put God into this little box in an attempt to limit his capabilities, unconfident in his power.  

This stuff is fun and all to talk about, but we canâ€™t loose focus on whatâ€™s truly important.  When we come before Him on judgment day, I donâ€™t think God is going to give me his definition of time.  He will be conducting a DNA test, checking my blood type. â€œYour covered in the blood of JC, your part of the family, come on in.â€  The enemy canâ€™t take all of our Bibles or Churches, but he can use the â€œact to distractâ€ as a weapon which leads our focus to the things of this world instead of the what our minds need to be focusing on, eternity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Scriptures seem to identify a God in time, yet a God that is somehow beyond time, not constrained by it the way we are (1 Peter 3). God could have existed during an unmetered duration&#8211;or during no &#8220;time&#8221; at all&#8211;with an eternal purpose to create the world He wanted, and an eternal purpose to accomplish particular things in each or our lives. And when He acted to create He entered into time, of necessity, now having a past and a present. </p>
<p>Tremendous comfort can still come from knowing that God has always been in control and will never relinquish it. One might also draw a deeper comfort from knowing that God is in time with me right now, not unreachably transcendent, but right in this moment with me. And because He&#8217;s in this moment He can act to respond to my needs and prayers. </p>
<p>I believe that God proved to us that he had control over time when Jesus turned water into wine (John 2: 1-11.)  Look at what the master of the banquet said, â€œEveryone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink, but you have saved the best for last.â€  Choice wine is aged with perfection and I believe that part of Jesus performing that â€œwater into wine,â€ miracle was to show Godâ€™s control over time. (This has nothing to do with this topic but I believe the wine was non-alcoholic)  </p>
<p>People now a-days are still trying to intellectually understand the unexplainable.  Our human minds canâ€™t fully comprehend God and Heaven.  There are words of description that I believe God has not revealed to us hear on earth, that could explain more, but we as humans canâ€™t understand.  What about the people that come to God and say â€œGod look how big my problem is, can you fix it.â€  How about going to the problem and saying â€œProblem, look how big my God is.â€  Some people put God into this little box in an attempt to limit his capabilities, unconfident in his power.  </p>
<p>This stuff is fun and all to talk about, but we canâ€™t loose focus on whatâ€™s truly important.  When we come before Him on judgment day, I donâ€™t think God is going to give me his definition of time.  He will be conducting a DNA test, checking my blood type. â€œYour covered in the blood of JC, your part of the family, come on in.â€  The enemy canâ€™t take all of our Bibles or Churches, but he can use the â€œact to distractâ€ as a weapon which leads our focus to the things of this world instead of the what our minds need to be focusing on, eternity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robert, 

See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2007/03/god-is-not-timeless-deal-with-it/353/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; for my view on the idea that God lives outside of time.  Eternity, as I conceive of it, does not require an absence of time.  Time going forward and backward to infinity seems like a perfectly coherent concept of eternity which continues to include time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robert, </p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2007/03/god-is-not-timeless-deal-with-it/353/" rel="nofollow">this post</a> for my view on the idea that God lives outside of time.  Eternity, as I conceive of it, does not require an absence of time.  Time going forward and backward to infinity seems like a perfectly coherent concept of eternity which continues to include time.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The very concept of eternity requires that time does not exsit, there is no past, present, future. &lt;/em&gt;

On what do you base this assertion Robert?  It obviously is not true since there are concepts of eternity where time does exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The very concept of eternity requires that time does not exsit, there is no past, present, future. </em></p>
<p>On what do you base this assertion Robert?  It obviously is not true since there are concepts of eternity where time does exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The very concept of eternity requires that time does not exsit, there is no past, present, future. Therefore, God makes perfect decisions based on perfect knowledge. We cannot comprehend &quot;perfection.&quot; Everything we know or have is always being improved - changing. Once you have perfection, no change is needed. Decisions require options - various ways of doing things in the future. Since there is no future, there are no decisions to be made. Again, beyond our ability to comprehend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very concept of eternity requires that time does not exsit, there is no past, present, future. Therefore, God makes perfect decisions based on perfect knowledge. We cannot comprehend &#8220;perfection.&#8221; Everything we know or have is always being improved &#8211; changing. Once you have perfection, no change is needed. Decisions require options &#8211; various ways of doing things in the future. Since there is no future, there are no decisions to be made. Again, beyond our ability to comprehend.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

Excellent question, but it will require a separate post, stay tuned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>Excellent question, but it will require a separate post, stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Nielson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Nielson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have often thought that as well Matt, but I ultimately do not buy it.  Some will be so hard on themselves that they won&#039;t forgive themselves or think themselves worthy of anything.  Others will excuse themselves of just about anything.  If we judge ourselves, I have to believe that we will be guided through the process by Christ.  But I have to believe he will have the final say.  Don&#039;t the scriptures teach that?  That Christ will be the judge, and that we will be judged by him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have often thought that as well Matt, but I ultimately do not buy it.  Some will be so hard on themselves that they won&#8217;t forgive themselves or think themselves worthy of anything.  Others will excuse themselves of just about anything.  If we judge ourselves, I have to believe that we will be guided through the process by Christ.  But I have to believe he will have the final say.  Don&#8217;t the scriptures teach that?  That Christ will be the judge, and that we will be judged by him?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, I have always believe that in the final judgment, sitting before God, it will be we who ultimately will judge ourselves. In a way, perhaps that&#039;s why our faith in Christ will matter so much...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, I have always believe that in the final judgment, sitting before God, it will be we who ultimately will judge ourselves. In a way, perhaps that&#8217;s why our faith in Christ will matter so much&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Nielson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Nielson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice concise post Jacob.

It has me thinking about judgement day now.  What a decision time that will be.  I am now wondering how excruciating some decisions might be for God.  Sometimes it might be better to claim a lot of ignorance rather than almost none.

This might be a case for believing that final judgement might be much more based on who we are other than what we have done.  Decision making is difficult enough in simple and objective things.

So Jacob, how &#039;final&#039; do you think final judgement is based on God-like decision making?  That decision could be a whopper!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice concise post Jacob.</p>
<p>It has me thinking about judgement day now.  What a decision time that will be.  I am now wondering how excruciating some decisions might be for God.  Sometimes it might be better to claim a lot of ignorance rather than almost none.</p>
<p>This might be a case for believing that final judgement might be much more based on who we are other than what we have done.  Decision making is difficult enough in simple and objective things.</p>
<p>So Jacob, how &#8216;final&#8217; do you think final judgement is based on God-like decision making?  That decision could be a whopper!</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas,

lol, I hope you don&#039;t get any blowback on your prayer comment.  Let me know if you want me to edit you back into anonymity.

Sometimes people use an argument like the one you gave about atom bombs to explain prophecy.  I personally don&#039;t think that kind of explanation holds up because I think things are far more unpredictable, when left to themselves, than could ever be used to make specific prophecies.  Geoff has suggested many times here that the basic &quot;plot&quot; of history is the same on all worlds (see links in his comment above), but I assume he means something more high level than the timing of the invention of atomic warfare (e.g. he has suggested the time of the second coming is not set in advance, but flexible and based on what we choose and do).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,</p>
<p>lol, I hope you don&#8217;t get any blowback on your prayer comment.  Let me know if you want me to edit you back into anonymity.</p>
<p>Sometimes people use an argument like the one you gave about atom bombs to explain prophecy.  I personally don&#8217;t think that kind of explanation holds up because I think things are far more unpredictable, when left to themselves, than could ever be used to make specific prophecies.  Geoff has suggested many times here that the basic &#8220;plot&#8221; of history is the same on all worlds (see links in his comment above), but I assume he means something more high level than the timing of the invention of atomic warfare (e.g. he has suggested the time of the second coming is not set in advance, but flexible and based on what we choose and do).</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Parkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Parkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah - it is actually me. I would usually only post anonymously if I was talking about my former wife. ;&gt; But, I have been in a mood. And I had a conversation while visiting my parents in SLC over the weekend that made it plain that it is a small Mormon world, and that there are people who read these blogs. I don&#039;t want anyone saying &quot;Bro. Parkin doesn&#039;t believe that God answers prayers.&quot; Ya know. I don&#039;t mind if mi padre or sister knows what I think on the subeject. I&#039;m not quite as comfortable thinking that one of my ward missionaries may stumble across the post, and conclude that somehow my faith in God is less sure because I think in this way. Because, you know, I really do beleive our prayers are heard, and that God is the source of that. 

Considering the kind of things that are aired around these parts, I probably should just be more brave. If the ~ didn&#039;t give me away, maybe the C- grammar and dyslexia would. ;)

re: Atom Bomb and history having regular schedule. Good point - how many different would it have taken for the Romans to have stumbled into the scientific method, for instance? This could be an area where enough of the enlightenment actually comes through God&#039;s channels that He is able to influence the timing. Or, it could just be that the governing principles are tight enough that it plays out more or less the same way over and over again, in a more or less predictable way. 

No importante?

~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah &#8211; it is actually me. I would usually only post anonymously if I was talking about my former wife. ;&gt; But, I have been in a mood. And I had a conversation while visiting my parents in SLC over the weekend that made it plain that it is a small Mormon world, and that there are people who read these blogs. I don&#8217;t want anyone saying &#8220;Bro. Parkin doesn&#8217;t believe that God answers prayers.&#8221; Ya know. I don&#8217;t mind if mi padre or sister knows what I think on the subeject. I&#8217;m not quite as comfortable thinking that one of my ward missionaries may stumble across the post, and conclude that somehow my faith in God is less sure because I think in this way. Because, you know, I really do beleive our prayers are heard, and that God is the source of that. </p>
<p>Considering the kind of things that are aired around these parts, I probably should just be more brave. If the ~ didn&#8217;t give me away, maybe the C- grammar and dyslexia would. ;)</p>
<p>re: Atom Bomb and history having regular schedule. Good point &#8211; how many different would it have taken for the Romans to have stumbled into the scientific method, for instance? This could be an area where enough of the enlightenment actually comes through God&#8217;s channels that He is able to influence the timing. Or, it could just be that the governing principles are tight enough that it plays out more or less the same way over and over again, in a more or less predictable way. </p>
<p>No importante?</p>
<p>~</p>
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