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	<title>Comments on: Habit 2: Begin with the End in Mind + The Thang&#8217;s Mission</title>
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		<title>By: Geoff J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hdh,

Welcome to the Thang and good point.  Pondering does look like laziness to many people in our hyper-busy world. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hdh,</p>
<p>Welcome to the Thang and good point.  Pondering does look like laziness to many people in our hyper-busy world.</p>
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		<title>By: hdh</title>
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		<dc:creator>hdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the challenges with having a mind which naturally tends toward philosophy is that philosophizing looks an awful lot like being lazy. I&#039;ve had to convince my wife that I&#039;m not being lazy, I&#039;m pondering. As far as being smart as a requirement in this life - I have long been intrigued with how many faithful saints, who I suspect are headed toward Godhood, are able to accept key doctrines WITHOUT the need to understand them better or to philosophize about them. I have had to conclude that making moral choices is the key and not the ability to &#039;figure everything out&#039;, although I believe Heavenly Father relates to those of us who are trying to figure it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the challenges with having a mind which naturally tends toward philosophy is that philosophizing looks an awful lot like being lazy. I&#8217;ve had to convince my wife that I&#8217;m not being lazy, I&#8217;m pondering. As far as being smart as a requirement in this life &#8211; I have long been intrigued with how many faithful saints, who I suspect are headed toward Godhood, are able to accept key doctrines WITHOUT the need to understand them better or to philosophize about them. I have had to conclude that making moral choices is the key and not the ability to &#8216;figure everything out&#8217;, although I believe Heavenly Father relates to those of us who are trying to figure it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think leadership and management are inseparable, for the reason that goals cannot be achieved independently as a general rule.  Management is all about the skill of acheivement without undue sacrifice to any fundamental principle of business or morality. A lot like the balancing act that characterizes good engineering, except harder to do well. 

The number one problem with management in this country is that it has become increasingly divorced from morality - treated more like an optimization problem where the law is the only relevant constraint, that within those bounds all is fair game.  In other words it is all about the letter of the law, and runs directly contrary to the spirit of the law.

The businesses that get rewarded are professional swindlers, operating barely in the bounds of law, and infuriating one time customers who have little choice but to stick with them or switch to another organization specializing in their exploitation for profity.  That is the dark side of corporatism - no longer are we dealing with individuals who have principles and reputations to maintain, but impersonal combinations who have nothing but a fiduciary obligation to get gain at any cost to ethics and morality.  The competition of criminality instead of the competition of creativity.  We need a cult of fairness, not a cult of use and abuse.

Case in point - why do you think the telecom giants want to end network neutrality except to charge monopoly rents on services we now get for commodity prices?  That is flat out immoral - the motives of the telecoms are evil writ large.  Who cares about the public welfare - just charge exorbitant rates for services with no added value.  The ideology of patent exploitation - creating &quot;property&quot; out of thin air is similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think leadership and management are inseparable, for the reason that goals cannot be achieved independently as a general rule.  Management is all about the skill of acheivement without undue sacrifice to any fundamental principle of business or morality. A lot like the balancing act that characterizes good engineering, except harder to do well. </p>
<p>The number one problem with management in this country is that it has become increasingly divorced from morality &#8211; treated more like an optimization problem where the law is the only relevant constraint, that within those bounds all is fair game.  In other words it is all about the letter of the law, and runs directly contrary to the spirit of the law.</p>
<p>The businesses that get rewarded are professional swindlers, operating barely in the bounds of law, and infuriating one time customers who have little choice but to stick with them or switch to another organization specializing in their exploitation for profity.  That is the dark side of corporatism &#8211; no longer are we dealing with individuals who have principles and reputations to maintain, but impersonal combinations who have nothing but a fiduciary obligation to get gain at any cost to ethics and morality.  The competition of criminality instead of the competition of creativity.  We need a cult of fairness, not a cult of use and abuse.</p>
<p>Case in point &#8211; why do you think the telecom giants want to end network neutrality except to charge monopoly rents on services we now get for commodity prices?  That is flat out immoral &#8211; the motives of the telecoms are evil writ large.  Who cares about the public welfare &#8211; just charge exorbitant rates for services with no added value.  The ideology of patent exploitation &#8211; creating &#8220;property&#8221; out of thin air is similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read 7 habits in a while, so I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right about Covey. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read 7 habits in a while, so I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right about Covey.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think Covey is very strong on management in the his 7 Habits model. Habit 3 is exclusively about it and Habits 4-6 are all about interpersonal relationships that are at the heart of management as well.  His Habit 3: &lt;em&gt;Put First Things First&lt;/em&gt; has the best personal and group management teachings I have read (and I&#039;ve read a lot of this stuff).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think Covey is very strong on management in the his 7 Habits model. Habit 3 is exclusively about it and Habits 4-6 are all about interpersonal relationships that are at the heart of management as well.  His Habit 3: <em>Put First Things First</em> has the best personal and group management teachings I have read (and I&#8217;ve read a lot of this stuff).</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I don&#039;t like about the Covey is that he seems to glorify leadership over management.  Leadership is important, for sure, but I think management is underated.  I find in my professional life that the management is where we usually break down.  We often have a great idea of where we want to go (good leaders have set a good goal), but making it happen is remarkably difficult.  Comics like Dilbert have pointed out how silly management can get, but one of the reasons they get so silly is that the job they are trying to do is very difficult.  The same is true in life.  I know what kind of person I want to be, but making it happen (personal management) is often the toughest part.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I don&#8217;t like about the Covey is that he seems to glorify leadership over management.  Leadership is important, for sure, but I think management is underated.  I find in my professional life that the management is where we usually break down.  We often have a great idea of where we want to go (good leaders have set a good goal), but making it happen is remarkably difficult.  Comics like Dilbert have pointed out how silly management can get, but one of the reasons they get so silly is that the job they are trying to do is very difficult.  The same is true in life.  I know what kind of person I want to be, but making it happen (personal management) is often the toughest part.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you have to give everything (or at least be willing to give everything) to God. However if God kept it, he wouldn&#039;t be God either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you have to give everything (or at least be willing to give everything) to God. However if God kept it, he wouldn&#8217;t be God either.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah -- I&#039;m with you Jacob.  I think it will be an interesting subject to dig into in a future post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah &#8212; I&#8217;m with you Jacob.  I think it will be an interesting subject to dig into in a future post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff: &lt;em&gt;But I do think there is a tendency to cop-out on this issue like when Jacob said in #6 &quot;I see no reason to believe you must be smart in this life to make it to heaven&quot;.&lt;/em&gt;

I hope you don&#039;t mean to say my statement in #6 was a cop-out because it followed a list of clarifying comments, one of which specifically made your follow-up point about us having to become &quot;smart&quot; at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff: <em>But I do think there is a tendency to cop-out on this issue like when Jacob said in #6 &#8220;I see no reason to believe you must be smart in this life to make it to heaven&#8221;.</em></p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t mean to say my statement in #6 was a cop-out because it followed a list of clarifying comments, one of which specifically made your follow-up point about us having to become &#8220;smart&#8221; at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark and Jacob,

I think you are basically getting my point.  I am obviously drawn to metaphysical/philosophical questions.  But I am also a deeply practical man. The point I was making is that these two things need not and indeed should be at odds with one another.  We should stretch our minds here and in the process of so doing we can make great progress toward the ultimate purpose we are here to begin with.  You know that great quote from Joseph Smith:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The things of God are of deep import; and time, and experience, and careful and ponderous and solemn thoughts can only find them out. Thy mind, O man! if thou wilt lead a soul unto salvation, must stretch as high as the utmost heavens, and search into and contemplate the darkest abyss, and the broad expanse of eternity - thou must commune with God.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I also think I&#039;ll post later the metaphysical implications of the Parable of the Talents though.  We have this tension between absolute progress and relative progress that I think is hard to resolve -- especially with a naive My Turn on Earth model of eternity (though I know y&#039;all don&#039;t hold naive views on that.) But I do think there is a tendency to cop-out on this issue like when Jacob said in #6 &quot;I see no reason to believe you must be smart in this life to make it to heaven&quot;.  That may be true on this planet but God is more intelligent than they all so we have to be &quot;smart&quot; at some point before being exalted.  Clearly it is sufficient to &quot;double our talents&quot; here and the celestial law seems to be to give everything we have to God -- whether that be a mite like the widow or a treasure like the rich young ruler.  Like I said, there is interesting stuff here to be mined.  I hope to get to it more in a separate post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark and Jacob,</p>
<p>I think you are basically getting my point.  I am obviously drawn to metaphysical/philosophical questions.  But I am also a deeply practical man. The point I was making is that these two things need not and indeed should be at odds with one another.  We should stretch our minds here and in the process of so doing we can make great progress toward the ultimate purpose we are here to begin with.  You know that great quote from Joseph Smith:</p>
<blockquote><p>The things of God are of deep import; and time, and experience, and careful and ponderous and solemn thoughts can only find them out. Thy mind, O man! if thou wilt lead a soul unto salvation, must stretch as high as the utmost heavens, and search into and contemplate the darkest abyss, and the broad expanse of eternity &#8211; thou must commune with God.</p></blockquote>
<p>I also think I&#8217;ll post later the metaphysical implications of the Parable of the Talents though.  We have this tension between absolute progress and relative progress that I think is hard to resolve &#8212; especially with a naive My Turn on Earth model of eternity (though I know y&#8217;all don&#8217;t hold naive views on that.) But I do think there is a tendency to cop-out on this issue like when Jacob said in #6 &#8220;I see no reason to believe you must be smart in this life to make it to heaven&#8221;.  That may be true on this planet but God is more intelligent than they all so we have to be &#8220;smart&#8221; at some point before being exalted.  Clearly it is sufficient to &#8220;double our talents&#8221; here and the celestial law seems to be to give everything we have to God &#8212; whether that be a mite like the widow or a treasure like the rich young ruler.  Like I said, there is interesting stuff here to be mined.  I hope to get to it more in a separate post.</p>
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